18 Dec 2017 When Another Time Crosses Our Own (Dream) and Horse-buggy rules would drive Amish out of Wisconsin community, expert says (USA Today Network Karen Madden, The (Wisconsin Rapids, Wis.) Daily Tribune)

Hello to you.  It’s 4:33 am.  Kyle and I went to bed early again last night so being up isn’t so bad.  Ever since the time change and the light fades so early, so do we lol.

I had a really lovely dream this morning.  It was so vivid and I was so happy and felt so loved to be in it that I didn’t want to leave!  The dream was reminiscent of one I had many years ago that I have never forgotten.  It was of flying over an island place that looked like Ireland and then being in a small house with a woman who had long red hair.  I can remember seeing her stuffing her own hair into her mouth.  I read much later that apparently during The Potato Famine, people ate just about anything, to include the dead to stem their hunger:


“By the beginning of 1849, the Irish were suffering on a scale similar to the worst months of 1846-47. Michael Shaughnessy, a barrister in Ireland, described children he encountered while traveling on his circuit as “almost naked, hair standing on end, eyes sunken, lips pallid, protruding bones of little joints visible.” In another district, there was a report of a woman who had gone insane from hunger and eaten the flesh of her own dead children. In other places, people killed and ate dogs which themselves had been feeding off dead bodies. ”

The dream this morning was about being with people that were like the Amish.  They made everything.

The dream started with a shop and there was mailing of books.  I can remember seeing a name and an address on the mailing label but can only remember the name, “Hagerty.”  There were children, little girls in dresses and bonnets using old fashioned scythes to cut the grass.  The man in the dream had cut wood as part of this clearing and I picked up one of the pieces to smell it  (I think this part of the dream was triggered by my reading about Canadian man in Henry Thoreau’s Walden a couple of days ago.  The man would cut down wood and chew on the pulp.)  I told the man in my dream I thought the wood would be great for toys for the children.  He showed me which pieces would be good and which wouldn’t.  The pieces with harder centers would be good for toys.  There was a woman with long blonde hair and blue eyes that looked like Cate Blanchett (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cate_Blanchett) without makeup.  She looked a lot like an angel I used to draw when I lived in Florida too.  She was showing me a window curtain she had woven and put on their bedroom door.  She and the man had worked together to make it and I remember being so amazed by the work.   Just before I woke up she looked at me and said, “I will not let you pass from this world Jackie.”  (which I woke up to be saying out loud!).

I went to look up information about the Amish and found this article from a day ago….coincidence?  Hard to say, but I felt it was important to share.  This is a modern example of what is happening as our cultures, generations and the associated lifestyles that go with those cultures and generations cross paths with each other.  Without careful consideration, communication and transparent cooperation it can have tragic consequences.

Horse-buggy rules would drive Amish out of Wisconsin community, expert says

WISCONSIN RAPIDS, Wis. — Horse-drawn vehicles would need windshields, seat belts, child car seats and rear-view mirrors if officials in Wisconsin’s Wood County pass an ordinance that will be considered Tuesday.

Amish and other religious groups that rely on animal-pulled buggies in Wood County also would need to get driver’s licenses and vehicle insurance under the measure.

It’s an ordinance that an expert in Amish culture says is “completely impractical” and will drive those families out of the county.

The proposal is intended to save lives, said County Board of Supervisors member Bill Winch of Vesper, who helped to draft the new rules. Nine people have died in crashes involving horse-drawn buggies and wagons in and around Wood County since 2009, and Winch said it’s an ongoing concern.

 The ordinance requires drivers of animal-drawn vehicles to obey the same regulations the rest of the people on the roads are expected to follow, Winch said. If the board approves the measure, operators of horse buggies would have to get a driver’s license from the Wisconsin Division of Motor Vehicles.

 The license requirement would ensure that drivers of the buggies are at least 16 years old and have passed a written test showing basic knowledge of laws involving public roads, Winch said.

If the ordinance is passed, the Amish will leave Wood County, said Mark Louden, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison who specializes in Amish and Pennsylvania Dutch language and culture.

“There is no middle ground with this at all,” Louden said after reading the proposed ordinance. “It’s completely impractical.”

The Amish would consider buying liability insurance or getting driver’s licenses a violation of their beliefs and values, he said.

If the ordinance passes, and Amish residents of Wood County start receiving tickets or getting arrested, they would move to another county or state, Louden said.

“All I can think of is if they pass this, they don’t want the Amish in Wood County,” Louden said.

Wood County Board Chairman Lance Pliml said the original idea behind the ordinance was to require proper lighting on horse-drawn vehicles and some level of education for all those who drive them.

Children younger than 10 have been driving horse-drawn vehicles and they don’t understand what a “stop” sign means, Pliml said.

Pliml said he hadn’t seen the final proposed ordinance, which was advanced to the County Board by three of its committees. When a reporter shared details of the proposal with him, he said he had concerns about parts of the ordinance, including the driver’s license, windshield and seat belt portions.

The ordinance requires not only windshields, but also side and back windows, all made from safety glass or plastic. It requires seat belts for all drivers and passengers, as well as child safety seats for children younger than 8 years old. It also requires drivers of animal-drawn vehicles to have the same type of insurance that is required for motorized vehicles.

Pliml said he could understand requiring some type of operator’s license similar to the ones required for snowmobiles.

“The rest of that is a tough sell,” he said.

 Buggy-related crashes leave nine dead in nine years

Michael Feirer of Marshfield, who is chairman of the County Board’s Public Safety Committee, said the proposal is all about making highways safer.

“We want to get these people who are driving buggies down the road, or carts, to obey the traffic laws,” Feirer said.


http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Hagerty – decided to look up the name and found this:

Last name: Hagerty

SDB Popularity ranking: 7741

This notable Irish surname, now widespread in Counties Donegal, Derry and Cork, is an Anglicized form of the Old Gaelic “O’hEigceartaigh”, descendant of Eigceartach, a personal byname from “eigceartach”, unjust. The principal sept of O’hEigceartaigh was of the Cineal Eoghan, that is, belonging to that group of people descended from Eoghan, son of Niall of the Nine Hostages, 4th Century High King of Ireland. This sept was located on the borders of the present counties of Donegal and Derry, and in the 14th entury, the barony of Loughinsholin (County Derry) was their chief habitat.   By the 14th Century the name was more numerous in Tirkeeran (County Derry) and Inishowen (County Donegal), and also in the baronies of Barrymore and Carbery West in the Munster county of Cork, where a branch of the Ulster Haggertys settled. In the process of Anglicization “O’hEigceartaigh” acquired many variant forms including: O’He(a)gertie, O’Hagirtie, (O)Hagerty, Hegarty, Haggarty and Haggerty. On February 28th 1779, James, son of William and Jane Haggerty, was christened at Donaghmore, County Tyrone, and on April 14th 1829, the marriage of Catherine Haggerty to John Aitkin took place at St. Luke’s, Old Charlton, Kent. The family Coat of Arms is a silver shield with an oak tree eradicated proper, on a red chief three birds argent, beaked and legged sable, the Crest being an arm in armour embowed, the hand grasping a scymitar all proper. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Maolmuire O’Hegarty, a member of O’Neill’s army, which was dated 1602, in “Records of the Battle of Kinsale”, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth 1 of England, known as “Good Queen Bess”, 1558- 1603. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to “develop” often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Hagerty#ixzz51bsPC23z




2 comments on “18 Dec 2017 When Another Time Crosses Our Own (Dream) and Horse-buggy rules would drive Amish out of Wisconsin community, expert says (USA Today Network Karen Madden, The (Wisconsin Rapids, Wis.) Daily Tribune)

  1. it’s amazing to see how much is behind the simple things… like a potato or a thing we use every day… and I had no clue that hors buggy rules really exist, thanks that was interesting to read… specially in our hectic modern times…

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